I am shocked as to how much interest this post has generated on my blog. For a little blog like mine to have generated so much traffic on an issue that I am not particularly connected with is fascinating.
To be clear, I first found this story in a Facebook post and simply wanted to share what little I could find about it. Over night, it generated more traffic than any story I'd ever run on here.
For those too lazy to click on links, Snopes.com has now identified the rumor reported here as "probably false". The actual case seems to have involved a high school student who misidentified a female student as male and had a physical altercation with her. However, I am astonished by the number of people who have tried to excuse his behavior by saying that "he didn't know it was a girl". Even supposing that this student had beaten up a male student that would not excuse his actions. It's unclear as to how much of an asymmetry was involved with the altercation, but numerous reports indicate that the boy did a lot more damage to the girl than she did to him. Provided that this is true, there are still issues worth talking about here.
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A user has posted the following on the Facebook group Gender Queer Atheists:
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Edit 1: It has come to my attention that many do not think this to be a hate crime. It's possible that this wasn't an anti-gay hate crime and that, as some claim, the female student was mistaken for a male student and that he was acting in self defence. I fail to see how that resolves anything. The asymmetry in the force used between the two individuals is astonishing; the fact that the girl ended up with the amount of damage that she did, while the boy ended up with so little, means that he used excessive force. That puts this beyond the realm of self defence. The fact that he is not being prosecuted for excessive force speaks to privilege (presumably due to his elevated status as a student athlete), even if it's not heterosexual privilege.
Edit 2: The genders of the two individuals should not matter. A male student should no more beat up another male student than beat up a female student.
Edit 3: It has additionally come to my attention that this event is not very well confirmed. Please check the relevant snopes.com site often for updates on this situation.
Edit 4: The local PD has released a press report.
this is so unjust and it needs to be brought to everyone attention. The boy should have charges filed and the officer needs to be put on the spot light as well. if she were straight and he werent a jock it would be different. serious action needs to be taken.
ReplyDeletei hate to say it but unless everyone does there part in telling everyone they know nothings going to happen the victim is my ex and a friend and this bothers me because i care about her and the fact that shes the victim and the one who is in the most trouble is ridiculous
ReplyDeleteThis Is All Bull Honest To God You Guys Are blowing This Out of Praportion. The Female Was Not Hit Because She Was Gay She Looked Like a Guy and Acted Like One She Was Starting Problems With The FootBall Player and She Pused Him It Was Self Defence. He Didn't Know It Was a Frmale Till Kids Yelled " Stop Stop She's a Girl! " He Backed up and Said I'm Sorry I Dodnt know Then Is When The Girls Friends Attacked Him. This Was No Gay Hate Crime. You Guys Are Just Turning It Into One not Thinkjng Of The consequences. The Boy Is Being Threatened by Tons Of People. The female is The one to blame for all of this.
ReplyDeleteHate Crime or not. If she pushed him and he pounded her in the jaw 12 times, that is excessive and he needs anger management and jail time if he beat her up that bad. P.S. your defense argument is flawed. They didnt know eachother? Then, why the fight? Saying he didnt know she was a girl isnt going to fly in the justice system.
DeleteShe Pushed Him and No They Did not Know Each other. He Believed That He Was Pushed By a Male. She Looked talked Acted Like One. She Started It He Was Just Standing In Line When Someone Cut and He Told Them Not To Cut Which Is When She Came And Pushed Him. And Neither Of Them Got Hurt Super Bad Not Even Anything Practically They Over Exaggerated With 12 Blows To The Jaw. They Were Both Suspended Which Should Be Enough. She Started It She Was Provoking The Male. Its All Good That She Can Do What She Did But Once She Is Confronted She Choses To Hit The Male ( Which Happens To be a FootBall Player) and He Reacts To It Thinking He Was Fighting a Male Student. But When Things Didn't Go The Way She Planned She Decided To Play The Lesbian Card Turn It Into Something That Its Not. So I Am Still Sticking With The Female Is The One To Blame.
DeleteIf you witnessed it, you should speak with the authorities. I heard other students that witnessed it say the same thing, it's all a big misunderstanding and people that know nothing about it should stay out of it. People take a look at the girls picture, she looks like a teenage boy! It was an honest mistake! Unbelievable how this is blowing up!
DeleteSalvador93 is right, the post isn't giving out all the facts. This is the report from the sheriff's department that I found from the local newspaper:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theavtimes.com/2012/09/27/sheriffs-department-responds-to-fight-at-lancaster-high-school/
Salvador93 -- It's possible that this wasn't an anti-gay hate crime. However, the asymmetry in the force used between the two individuals is astonishing; the fact that the girl ended up with the amount of damage that she did, while the boy ended up with so little, means that he used excessive force. That puts this beyond the realm of self defence. The fact that he is not being prosecuted for excessive force speaks to privilege, even if it's not heterosexual privilege.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that people are re-posting one FB post over and over and over again without knowing the truth. The fact that people assume that one anonymous FB post is 100% true is quite disturbing.
ReplyDeleteWe're going on day 3 and there has been no other reports on any news feeds. Do you really think that this woman, her family or other eyewitnesses would not have come forward by now?
Until that happens, I will believe this repost over an anonymous FB post;
http://www.theavtimes.com/2012/09/27/sheriffs-department-responds-to-fight-at-lancaster-high-school/
I don't know which report is accurate. However, I added "[Purported]" to the title to reflect the concerns of yourself and others.
DeleteWhat I find hard to believe is that the male at some point failed to realize he was hitting a girl (and why that should make a difference anyway). If you're close enough to someone to beat the shit out of them that thoroughly, wouldn't you notice a thing or two?
ReplyDeleteThanks, I updated the post to include this link.
ReplyDeleteI think that while the situation may not have been a hate crime both people are responsible for their actions. Girl or not there was no need to push this guy. Jock or not there was no need to beat the sh&% out of someone that supposedly merely pushed you. As I wasn't there I am not making assumptions or creating arguments to defend either party. However, I wouldn't presume to believe anything told to me by the police department in that are because they are just as bad if not worse than the LAPD.
ReplyDeleteThis is ridiculous. The aunt blew this out of proportion. Because no one bothers to learn their facts, they wouldn't know that Monica provoked the boy first. She pushed him, and she didn't deny it, that is when the boy went off on her. Yes the boy is a football player, a skinny little white boy who is fifteen years old, isn't a large monster, and just less than 5'5. Monica looks like a legit stud, so if she wants to act like a guy, she can be treated as so. He regrets doing what he did and he feels bad, but he didn't know it was a girl. So learn your facts before you idiots talk shit.
ReplyDeleteBoys shouldn't beat up other boys any more than they should beat up girls. You're argument reinforces gender norms and is invalid.
Deletehttp://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/lancaster.asp
ReplyDeleteDon't believe everything you read on the internet.
Yeah, I already posted a link to Snopes in the article.
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ReplyDeleteThe Lancaster Sheriff's department issued a statement of the facts of the incident. Basically, a 14 year old girl cut in lunch line, a 14 year old boy told her not to, a 17 year old girl, dressed like a boy came over and hit the 14 year old. Both were arrested. If this story is getting convoluted, the 17 year old who is supposedly the gay one who got bullied needs to come clean and tell what really happened. Allowing us to take sides based on misinformation is quite manipulating and I for one do not appreciate it. I stand for people who had unjust actions taken against them, but they also need to take responsibility for their own actions.
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